Resurrection Revealed podcast episode #46, hosted by Troy Heinritz and Wayne Henderson. Troy shares some quick initial thoughts, and asks some questions, about Resurrection episode 12 of season 2, “Steal Away”! Your feedback welcome at (904) 469-7469 or via the feedback page.
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Some of our thoughts, and questions needing answers in this episode:
- Initial thoughts and questions about ABC TV's Resurrection episode 2.12, “Steal Away”.
- Please visit ResurrectionRevealed.com/Feedback and share your thoughts and theories or call (904) 469-7469 and let your voice be heard!
- Inexplicable events cause Bellamy to fear for Rachael and her unborn child.
- An alliance forms.
- Are they angels, or are they demons?
- Do you think Preacher James is telling the truth about Rachael's baby? Or is Rachael's baby actually good?
- If you were in the same situation as Fred and Henry, how would you react? What questions would you ask about your special loved one?
- Was it Rachael “calling out” to the other Returned, which caused them to go into a trance? Or, was it her baby causing it.
- Answers from the trance. Since Angela Forrester didn't go into a trance, is this confirmation that she is NOT a Returned after all?
lucifr jr. says
So the writers are not really sure if the show ends at 2 seasons because they labeled it as SEASON finale not a SERIES finale.
I hate to say this again but haha “Grandma is the best!!!”
My predictions for the finale:
1. Bellamy and Maggie make out. (we’ve waited for this like 2 seasons to happen damn it!)
2. Pastor Tom is back. (now with wings, as an angel / protector to guide Rachele)
3. The baby will show up at the last 10 seconds (while the viewers are pissed off biting their nails) – a beast with tails and horns and many adjectives described in the bible.
Bonus -> There will be season 3 but this time it wouldn’t be about reunion, love, hope, family but about chaos, war and walkers. (so is this the origin story of the The Walking Dead? – like walkers used to be humans, loved until the true living gave up on them, the returnees can afford cosmetics and prosthetics so why not, that makes them scary and believable. Im crazy!)
But seriously, its such a brave move for the show to drop the Anti-Christ theme, or concept, i won’t be surprise if its Lucifer incarnated – why would i ? – we are friends with the writers and i suggested it then they go for it. (hahaha)
One more thing! Sir Wayne and Sir Troy You guys are the best! – Please do a one-episode review for Galavant Thanks! – I will sing in my comment haha :))))
Poor Robin, don’t worry, Me too – so afraid of needles , especially that in our place, dead people don’t come back.
Neil Ottenstein says
I am thinking that Rachael’s call-out to Tom is a foreshadowing of his return.
lucifr jr. says
Yeah. Foreshadowing these days only take one episode earlier. Haha but I want a battle between a Pastor and a Preacher because these two terms are confusing really.
Michael 1960 says
Preacher James quoted Revelation 13: which states a beast rises from the Earth, this is obviously the Anti Christ
The Dragon with 7 heads. Look at the vision Bellamy and Preacher James both had where millions of cicadas came up from the ground, to form this symbolic image. Could this be the vision of the beast ?? The dragon with 7 heads. If so, then the preacher is
the Anti Christ.
Let’s look at the facts.
1) Consume more resources than a normal person: They are hungry, eat more… i.e. They can create a problem for the environment in mass numbers.
2) They create a problem for the current legal system: Do they have rights? (Do they?) … i.e.. Are they legally dead or alive? And, what rights to their previous property do they have? Are marriages still valid? Wills? Inheritances? What about life sentences to criminal elements? And, Death Penalties? How are they enforced?
3) Cause social discord/unrest: (Well, for sure! We wouldn’t have a show without this!) They open up old wounds. They bring back issues to the fore front that were thought dead and buried (literally). Who loved who? WHo hated who? Who killed JFK? Where was Jimmy Hoffa buried? Hell, lets ask them.
4) Immortal/cannot be killed/very hard to kill… the show hasn’t revealed this yet, but I suspect the returned do not age. They do not die normal deaths, and they certainly come back from abnormal deaths. Take the oldest person on the show, let him die naturally, and he comes back?! (ie. Jacob’s dad) Ok, what was fixed when he returned? Why didn’t he just die again? How much time does he have left? Yeah, guess what that answer is… the only way to kill these folks is to make them *wish themselves away*; otherwise, they go on existing.
5) and, If you kill anyone natural born, you might have just made a newly returned…
Among other issues not yet revealed in the show, but these are bad enough…
Let’s just take the four things above and apply these behaviors to a *large* number of returned… in no particular order…
3) Cause social unrest – think Arcadia is having problems dealing with the 200 or so folks that have come back? Just imagine millions returning. Pretty hard to coordinate a response when these folks are so distracting…
2) Legal problems – Hey, if there are 3 million natural born in a state/country, and 4 million return, who is the majority under law? And, what if the returned don’t agree with the answer? What happens then? Who is English or American or French or… whatever… in that circumstance? Who *live* and who *should* die in that context?
5) Natural dying == newly returned – The door only seems to swing in one direction. Newly dead is a possible returned. Things can get lop sided pretty quick if you suddenly turn an ally into an enemy.
4) Don’t age – well, that’s obvious… these folks are here to cause problems, but if they don’t age anymore, then exponential growth takes over… they just keep coming back… more and more of them keep coming.
1) Consume more food/water, and this is possible the worst issue given the above…
To put it simply, the mechanism of the returned (whereby how often and when they appear) is the crucial determinant here, and I suspect we’ll find out they are intended to come back at an ever increasing rate. In doing so, and through no fault of their own and with no other sinister intent, the returned will become too much a burden on the planet. Its a law of large numbers thing… if the returned just keep coming back, and consuming more and more when they do, then, eventually, taken to its extreme, you get a total societal and biosphere collapse.
In other words, these folks coming back from the dead with these properties is possibly the worst possible thing that can happen to the stability of our current global society, especially if they come back at an increasing rate. (as the show depicts in this episode)
End of the World? Hell yes!! Preacher is right! But, if not end of the world, then start of the next?
What happens when every person on earth is *converted* to a slightly more hungry returned? What happens when the planet biosphere can no longer sustain these folks as every plant, animal, and fish is consumed? (Animals don’t *return* do they? Jacob’s bird didn’t…) Does the “returning” mechanism continue to return folks? Do they just start eating their own dead bodies over and over as they repeatedly die? Really? Does that make sense? Hell of a way to live. Wouldn’t you loose the will to live and then simply disappear?
Ahhh… and at that point, the real actors in this melodrama will then make their presence felt. And, their intent is to just show up at the end after its all said and done. In fact, this is the perfect way to clear off a world of its in inhabitants without firing a single shot. Just keep bringing their dead back until they all choose to be *dead.* Then show up in orbit, and hit the off switch on wherever that people factory you put in orbit mililienia ago is… on the dark side of the moon.. yes… maybe…
Yes, a perfect way to clean a planet off of everything you don’t need, but leave the fundamentals of life: air, water, weather, and infrastructure intact. It’s perfect for that initial landing party. Perfect for the first few new settlements. Perfect for… COLONIZATION. And, given the time scale we’re talking about, its certainly coming from a distance far, far away…
(life’s like a box of chocolates… All sweet on the outside, and dark and juicy inside. I love the show… )
lucifr jr. says
Good luck reading this on an hourlong podcast! haha 🙂 But i love this! Well thought.
Challenge Accepted! James’ thoughts are The BEST! 😉
lucifr jr. says
Keep on refreshing this page cant wait for this crazy full discussion. Haha this Podcast is the BEST.
Hahahaha! I’m glad my little diatribe amused you. Unfortunately, I wrote it in 15 minutes between two meetings, and, after re-reading it, it reads like dime pulp trash. Lots of grammar errors. Basically, it was just a brain dump. Sorry to put that on you, oh constant readers.
A few more thoughts:
1) Hey, let’s face it, when talking about the dead returning from the grave, I mean, who has such a power? Your end result is either “Aliens” or “Demons”. End times for sure, but, the culprits of the end times are either A or D. Given we don’t know how long this has been going on in their story world, and it is alluded to as a “long time” in just recent episodes, I dare conclude it is “Ancient Aliens”, which is another way of saying both. 🙂 (i.e. Aliens that our society considers Demons.)
2) I believe the actual agent of returning is, in fact, a mechanism, algorithm, or, simply put, a machine. A machine that copies these folks from our past into our present. Why do I believe this? Well, we’ll find out the machine has rules. And anything that has rules is an algorithm. Is it Divinity? No… there would be no rules. Divinity acts of its own accord. I used to think the machine could literally copy from the past into the present, but, now that we have learned the phenomena has been going on for some time, I now think it more plausible a machine is recording the existence and lives of Arcadians and simply copying people back from its memory banks. Question: How old is the oldest person that has returned? Answer that, and that’s when the machine went online. This line of thought also explains why people return with their cloths and not naked.
3) Why I do I believe the machine has rules? Well, its not a perfect machine, and it can make replication errors, and when it does: the wrong people get sick (i.e. like a virus coming back with a returned that kills other returned.), or the wrong folks are brought back (the guy who stirred up mischief and disappeared from the jail cell), or the folks that are brought back do not serve its purpose (i.e. they lose the will to live.) Its answer to an error in returning? It deletes its mistake. That’s why folks are disappearing. That’s a replication error.
4) I am refuting the divinity argument, or, simply putting a secular twist on the whole thing. Just simply saying “Its Revelations!! Run for the Hills!!” seems to detract from the subtle-ness of the show. That’s too simple an answer. The show is much more complex than that. No, something else more sinister is at work here. It’s not God… It’s an Attack.
5) Cannot rule out simulated reality. (i.e. this is all going on in a big computer somewhere) That would explain the ease of returning. That gives us a place to copy a person “from” (Has anyone noticed there is no energy lost or gained when a return appears or disappears? The surroundings don’t heat up or cool down. Just minor electrical/radio disturbance. That much energy/mass moving about should cause an issue.)
6) Lastly, this is absolutely the best scifi show that has ever masqueraded as a human interest show. I mean, those first few episodes, you didn’t know what you were watching. I bet most folks only realized it was scifi when the government showed up to take folks at the end of Season 1. Myself? Midway during episode 1, I turned to my wife, smiled, and said “No way this ends well.” Thankfully, the show producers may feel the same way. 🙂
In closing, I leave you with Arthur C. Clarke’s 3rd Law:
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
P.S. I have not read Jason Mott’s novel, so, if any of this has already been answered, oops!
Aleksandrite Pironeva says
The returned age. Agent Belami is no longer a baby 🙂
Haha! Yes, yes… Ms. Pironeva, you are correct. I cannot reconcile Agent Belami easily. How does Agent Belami live for some 40 odd years without at least noticing some of the similarities between himself and the other returned?
Did he always eat more? Was he always sleepless? Or, do these behaviors go away over time? I don’t know. I think that may be a continuity error in the show that these symptoms(?) were not revealed before.
OK, let’s assume returned do age at normal rates… do they always regenerate when they die? If so, at what frequency do they return? and, to what specific age do they regenerate? Is there a way to distinguish how many regenerations a single returned has experienced? Is there a physical indication? (like a birth mark? 🙂 ) Is it akin to a model/serial number? (i.e. Model Belami, Serial Number 3)
I don’t know… but, I’m sure the show writers do… 😉
Aleksandrite Pironeva says
I’m thinking If we assume the returned age, die naturaly of old age and they again are raised to live more and more – the result is half decayed humans walking on the earth in Zombie apocalypse which I’m sure is not the idea of the show. And I’m not convinced the writers know how to get out of this situation 🙂
Hey! Now that’s a good plot twist! I like that! That could explain the symptoms of the Returned. (increased appetite; no sleep) It’s not a perfect copy! There is DNA damage of some kind. I like that! That could make for some good episodes.
But, I do agree Zombies are overdone. The Returned are more like Zombies we can’t bring ourselves to get rid of, and we don’t know to be afraid of them.
Check out my comments on the season finale and let me know your thought, if you would.
Garry David Andreano says
Knowing what James was alluding to in Revelation, I would have concluded the same thing. The scriptures talk about the earth opening up and the locusts from hell arise, with teeth and hair like a lion. I believe the white flower in the midst of it represents the Beast (antichrist), because satan comes as an angel of light, literally mimicking the acts and image of Jesus Christ. The locusts are probably a metaphor of the returned.